6.19.2006 - Let's see if it's possible.

[2000_LS1]

Calder Race Course
R1 = 5WPS = $6
R2 = 7WPS = $6
R3 = 2/3WPS = $12
R4 = 5WPS = $6
R5 = 1WPS = $6
R6 = 7/8WPS = $12
R7 = 3/4/5/7 EXACTA = $12
R8 = NO BET
R9 = 1/4/7 EXACTA = $6

$66 WAGERED

Delaware Park
R1 = 7/8WPS = $12
R2 = 7WPS = $6
R3 = 1/2/4 EXACTA = $6
R4 = 7/8 WPS = $12
R5 = 1/2/4 EXACTA = $6
R6 = 1/4/8/9 (FIRST TIMERS MAINLY) = $12
R7 = 1/2 WPS = $12
R8 = NO BET
R9 = 2/5/6 EXACTA = $6
R10 = 1/3/5/8 EXACTA = $12

$84.00 WAGERED

Finger Lakes
R1 = 1/2/3 EXACTA = $6
R2 = 3/6WPS = $12
R3 = 1/7/6 EXACTA + $2 WIN ON 2/6/7 = $12
R4 = NO BET
R5 = 2/9WPS = $12
R6 = 3/5/6 EXACTA = $6
R7 = 1/4WPS = $12
R8 = 1/3/4 EXACTA = $6
R9 = 1WPS = $6

$72 WAGERED

I'll probably do some more in the morning...good luck!!!

 

[2000_LS1]

These are the only tracks I'll be wagering on. We arestarting out with smaller bets, we might increase that if we do any good today. Good Luck...

 

[2000_LS1]

Looking Good Baby!!!

Calder Race Course
R1 = 5WPS = $6 = $2.60
R2 = 7WPS = $6 = $2.20
R3 = 2/3WPS = $12 = $43.80
R4 = 5WPS = $6 = $12.00
R5 = 1WPS = $6 = $5.00
R6 = 7/8WPS = $12 = $9.60
R7 = 3/4/5/7 EXACTA = $12 = $0.00
R8 = NO BET = $0.00
R9 = 1/4/7 EXACTA = $6 = $0.00

$66.00WAGERED
$75.20 Returned
$9.20 Profit
14% Profit

Delaware Park
R1 = 7/8WPS = $12 = $7.90
R2 = 7WPS = $6 = $6.20
R3 = 1/2/4 EXACTA = $6 = $15.70
R4 = 7/8 WPS = $12 = No Wagers Allowed
R5 = 1/2/4 EXACTA = $6
R6 = 1/4/8/9 (FIRST TIMERS MAINLY) = $12
R7 = 1/2 WPS = $12
R8 = NO BET
R9 = 2/5/6 EXACTA = $6
R10 = 1/3/5/8 EXACTA = $12

$72.00 WAGERED
This track has not finished running at this point in time. Will be update tomorrow morning. No more bets from me for now!!!

Finger Lakes
R1 = 1/2/3 EXACTA = $6 = $0.00
R2 = 3/6WPS = $12 = $15.90
R3 = 1/7/6 EXACTA + $2 WIN ON 2/6/7 = $12 = $21.10
R4 = NO BET = $0.00
R5 = 2/9WPS = $12 = $9.30
R6 = 3/5/6 EXACTA = $6 = $0.00
R7 = 1/4WPS = $12 = $24.60
R8 = 1/3/4 EXACTA = $6 = $9.30
R9 = 1WPS = $6 = $5.70

$72.00 WAGERED
$85.90 Returned
$13.90 Profit
19.3% Profit @ FL

 

[2000_LS1]

Calder Race Course
R1 = 5WPS = $6 = $2.60
R2 = 7WPS = $6 = $2.20
R3 = 2/3WPS = $12 = $43.80
R4 = 5WPS = $6 = $12.00
R5 = 1WPS = $6 = $5.00
R6 = 7/8WPS = $12 = $9.60
R7 = 3/4/5/7 EXACTA = $12 = $0.00
R8 = NO BET = $0.00
R9 = 1/4/7 EXACTA = $6 = $0.00

$66.00WAGERED
$75.20 Returned
$9.20 Profit
14% Profit

Delaware Park
R1 = 7/8WPS = $12 = $7.90
R2 = 7WPS = $6 = $6.20
R3 = 1/2/4 EXACTA = $6 = $15.70

$24.00 WAGERED
$29.80 Returned
$5.80 Profit
24% Profit

Finger Lakes
R1 = 1/2/3 EXACTA = $6 = $0.00
R2 = 3/6WPS = $12 = $15.90
R3 = 1/7/6 EXACTA + $2 WIN ON 2/6/7 = $12 = $21.10 (9.60 Exacta)
R4 = NO BET = $0.00
R5 = 2/9WPS = $12 = $9.30
R6 = 3/5/6 EXACTA = $6 = $0.00
R7 = 1/4WPS = $12 = $24.60
R8 = 1/3/4 EXACTA = $6 = $9.30
R9 = 1WPS = $6 = $5.70

$72.00 WAGERED
$85.90 Returned
$13.90 Profit
19.3% Profit @ FL

$162.00 Wagered on the day
$190.90 Profit
$28.90 Profit
17.83% Profit...

We are getting back on track.

The reason for no results in the last 7 at Delaware, no bets or payouts were taken / given through youbet anyway...I'm assuming no wagering period.

I played $4 Exactas (on 3 horse), $2 Exactas (on 4 horse), and $8 WPS...I had a great day...by using that, you're payout would have been...

WPS Bets below...
$408.00 Wagered
$625.20 Returned
$217.20 Profit or 53.23% Profit


3 Horse Exacta Bets ($4 Exactas)
$144.00 Wagered
$138.40 Returned
$5.60 Lost or 3.88%

4 Horse Exacta Bets ($2 Exactas)
$24.00 Wagered
$18.60 Returned
$5.40 Lost or 22.5%

This is to show TheRightSide why there is a need to display how much money is wagered....simple. $24 wagered on every race for me!!

My total for the day =
$576.00 Wagered
$782.20 Returned
$206.20 Profits
35.79% Profits

 

[2000_LS1]

The reason for posting that, TheRightSide, is not to "call you out" but rather to show you the difference. I normally play $24/race or $48 if I am trying to make up ground or if I am hot. No biggie. The bets would be $24 = $8WPS, $4 3 horse Exactas, $2 4 horse Exactas, $1 4 horse trifectas, and for $48 would be twice of those for $24. $16WPS, $8 4 horse exactas and so on.

The difference here was damn near 100% in the roi. That's why it's needed to show how much was being wagered. Wouldn't you agree now?

Now, another step one could take, I used to do but takes too long and I am too lazy to do is if betting $24/race (like I normally do), play $4W, $8P, and $12S, the show would pay 75% of the bet in most cases. Your case would be one when you said you could pick 2nds and 3rds all day long...let's say we bet this at Arlington Park today...assuming we hit 2nd placers all day...

Race #1 is not a good example at all...skip this...
12 Night Genius Carlos H. Silva 24.60 10.20

Race #2 ok here we go....
James Graham 6.00 4.40

If you had the show 6 times ($12) that would pay $26.40, enough to cover the bet. The place $$ at this point is all profit. and if he had won, that would have been profit as well.

Race #3
10 Calm Waters Christopher A. Emigh 7.60 4.60
Pretty much same as above...$1.20 difference in the show and $6.40 difference in place.

Race #4
1 Stefie's Brite Eddie M. Martin, Jr. 4.40 3.40
ok, a little less money here, the $12 show would have pd. $20.40, so you would need to make $3.60 extra to cover the bet...you would have done that with the place money.

Just examples...at random...

I read your posts several times "I pick 2nd placers!!" we all do...we all get in that rut. I swear I can pick more that run last than 1st...but that's part of it.

Never question someone else's wagering strategy until you ask him/her to explain it.

 

[TheRightSide]

OK 2000 I understand ROI. But keep in mind that is only important for you. To all the other people on this forum there is no way they could play everything you play. All that matters is winners. Look at the way everyone else post their picks. They just post thier picks of who they are going to bet. Look at what Larry did yesterday he posted a pick with a quick little blurb and boom there ya go it's a winner. He didn't post any roi or anything. How bout instead of wasting time typing all the that you give a little comment as to why or how you came to your conclusion. LOL no need to tell us how much but please tell us how you picked it. No need to give us what you made that day just let us know if it was a good or bad day.

 

[Labeeb]

TRS,
I don't know how one could take umbrage with how these selections are laid out. To say ROI doesn't matter makes no sense whatsoever when you say all that matters is winners. ROI is the measurement of being able to pick winners. You might not agree with dutching (as do I), but all of the plays are clearly laid out and it's not like other handicappers that start off playing $2 a race and then at the end of the day are pumping in four figure wagers. The dollar amounts are a minimal base unit. If you couldn't play any of these cards, even if just one, then you probably can't afford to be gambling. I really don't see your problem with his way of measuring the success of his picks (And this comes from someone who agrees with you on the US thing)

As for asking him to provide methodology behind the picks, perhaps he uses a method that very few other use and feel like he's talking with himself in most cases when talking actual handicapping. I speak from personal experience with this. I use Thorograph and have done so for almost 15 years now. I have only run into two people on this forum that also use it and they aren't frequent contributors. So for me to talk about patterns and figures when it's information the rest of the board doesn't have seems like a waste of time in most cases and it proves correct as I get virtually no feedback on my methods.

 

[2000_LS1]

Labeeb, I use thorograph as well...you should see the pattern in the picks...I think.

 

[Labeeb]

Labeeb, I use thorograph as well...you should see the pattern in the picks...I think.

Good to hear that there's more of us out here. I don't play CRC or FL, although I do buy all of the claiming races at DEL for the purpose of claiming.

So if nothing else we can talk to each other about reads, lines, etc.

 

[vired]

Labeeb as you might remenber I use TG and Rags. Would like to have a thread on reads, lines etc. for any races you feel are worth playing. I am busy at work so dont get to post alot but I enjoy your coments and selections. Good Luck

 

[2000_LS1]

Labeeb,
My in-laws have some thoro and some quarters they run at Oaklawn, Lone Star and Louisiana Downs. The main track for them is the thoro's at Oaklawn.

We were going to claim a few but never got the chance to buy one we were confident with claiming but then again, I can do ok betting horses but I am not comfortable claiming yet. I looked at buying "Itza" last year from the current owner but she scraed me a little due to prior troubles but would have been a good buy at $3,000 I think. She ran twice at Oaklawn I think, and the owner/trainer found a problem with her legs...she won once though, would have made the $3k back but what about the expenses? I didn't think it would cover it.

TRS,
ROI = credibility in this game I think. If you, nor anyone else in this forum has $162 to play or $576 for that matter, you are not a serious gambler.

For ROI not to be considered important to you, shows your lack of knowledge in this game. If US wants to play $5k on a race that he's confident about, I can't blame him one bit. I have done it as well. With worst results too by the way. If in the end of day and I am $500 behind, and I see a race coming up that I have a couple of longshots noted, you better believe I'll step up my bet to compensate for the day's wagers. My motto at that point, win big or lose big, one or the other!!! Lol, probably not the best but it works sometimes and doesn't others. I think everyone does this, especially with exotics towards the end of the day. They try to make up the day's losses by betting crazy exotics towards the end...just habit I guess.

 

[TheRightSide]

Labeeb and 2000.....I understand the ROI duh I have been gambling for 20 years now. What I am saying is people zip in and out of this forum. We hve to work and sleep sometime. The guy that gives it a look every 2 hrs or so doesn't care about the ROI all he cares is at that moment when he jumps on board that he is given a winner. People will not have the time nor the money to grind it out like US.

2000 I have no problem with the way you post you put it out there early for all us to see.

US on the other han makes it almost impossible for people to follow him to the money. That is what I was trying to say. The person that bet the 6 races in a row that US picked and lost doesn't care that in the long road he wll get it back all he knows is he lost 5 in a row. That's what I meant. After that happens what does that guy care that he made big bets in the end to get even or +.

good luck today fellas.