40 Dimes on a soccer bet??

sean8499 · Aug 24, 2003

Not jumping into this WSEX debacle, except to say that its been an interesting exchange. But one question: Would William Hill or any other bookmaker licenced in the UK accept a $40k soccer wager on their website?? Please prove me wrong but its doubtful they would. According to a BBC story during the last world cup, one punter placed 100 grand sterling on England to beat Brazil (I don't think it was done online). Apparently, this was newsworthy because it was the LARGEST known gamble ever taken on the national soccer team. So $40k on a premiership duel is not a routine event, even is soccer crazy England.

This is not intended to bolster the WSEX point of view. Their software processed the tranaction, so they definitely should assume some of the blame.

jjgold · Aug 24, 2003

Never heard of it, good post guy.

slots · Aug 24, 2003

A routine event? Ah, no, try NEVER on the net without some type of special limit agreement or something, and even then you'd call it in. If you walked into a bookie shop they would take that bet, but they would call the head office FIRST. No one's allowing anywhere near that amount without talking to someone.

jjgold · Aug 24, 2003

40 dimes= scammer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lurkerforages · Aug 24, 2003

JJ, you are so dumb.

If Bill Gates bet 40 dimes is he a scammer?

You think Jagr got into it with carib by playing
10 bucks a game.

This wasn`t credit, he posted up the money.

EveryGamblersDream · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
JJ, you are so dumb.

If Bill Gates bet 40 dimes is he a scammer?

You think Jagr got into it with carib by playing
10 bucks a game.

This wasn`t credit, he posted up the money.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Name one book that would take $40,000 of action by one person on the same game online?

I know you can't so give it up.

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

>Name one book that would take $40,000 of
>action by one person on the same
>game online?

WSEX

Might add... NO ONE has proved that R14 broke any written rules.

EveryGamblersDream · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
>Name one book that would take $40,000 of
>action by one person on the same
>game online?

WSEX

Might add... NO ONE has proved that R14 broke any written rules.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know they don't want to take $40,000 on a soccer game. It is double their highest posted limit.

How can you defend a guy who not long ago was looking for books that accept wagers past the posted limits?

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

EGD,

Please explain to me why WSEX had no sort of limit on soccer in their rules? Remember, this is WSEX and they have limit rules for other sports.

outandup · Aug 24, 2003

The defense is WSEX should have cancel the action they did not want. 40 DIMES of real money was at stake. If it was a loser WSEX keeps every penny, NO DOUBT. That's the problem here.

lurkerforages · Aug 24, 2003

EGD, what book do you work for?

nets2k2 · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by EveryGamblersDream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
>Name one book that would take $40,000 of
>action by one person on the same
>game online?

WSEX

Might add... NO ONE has proved that R14 broke any written rules.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know they don't want to take $40,000 on a soccer game. It is double their highest posted limit.

How can you defend a guy who not long ago was looking for books that accept wagers past the posted limits?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your right EGD WSEX didnt want to take 40,000 action on a soccer game, but they DID because they did NOT cancel the wager BEFORE the game.

Just like I dont want to book a 50,000 bet that the yankees will make the playoffs, but if I dont cancel it till after the regular season is over then I am on the hook for it.

Guest · Aug 24, 2003

Seancy,

Biggest limits I have seen on website, when it's question about normal English Premier league match and odds are even, is about $15 000. William Hill accepted over $50 000 bets on European soccer championships via internet, but thats not normal. I placed $20 bets during that contest, so my stakes were far from the limits.

Here are some lines and internet limits from Willim Hill for this week EPL.

1 Euro is $1.08 at Forex right now

Blackburn v Man City on 25/08/2003 Blackburn to win @ 2.00 (+100), Max 14 488 Euros

Liverpool v Tottenham on 27/08/2003 Liverpool to win @ 1.50 (-200), Max 28 976 Euros

Man Utd v Wolves on 27/08/2003 Man Utd to win @ 1.11 (-909), Max 131 709.09 Euros

So because they accept bigger bets more lower the odds are, bet size depends how much they are ready to lose.

EveryGamblersDream · Aug 24, 2003

I work for no book. I stand up for either player or sportsbook depending on the situation unlike some of you who are biased one way or another.

outandup · Aug 24, 2003

At first Steve said the wagers were cancelled prior to the start and then he said it was after the match ended. Are you starting to see the problem. A 1-1 tie late and 5 hours elapse and the wagers are still pending with a 66.6333% chance WSEX is going to be on the right side. That's taking a shot and in WSEX eyes a no lose situation. It's simple WSEX knew 40 dimes of real money was at stake and did not cancel the wagers. Who cares if they can get the guy on the phone.

EveryGamblersDream · Aug 24, 2003

O&U & you find nothing wrong with a guy who in the past wanted to know what books had software that took bets over posted limits?

You find nothing wrong with a man who only bet $1000 max on soccer there twice before then all of a sudden felt the need to bet 40x that eventhough it was almost double their highest posted limit?

I bet some of you are mad because you were probably doing some of this stuff on a smaller scale & now know the gifthorse is probably gone.

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

>some of you are mad because you were probably
>doing some of this stuff on a smaller scale &
>now know the gifthorse is probably gone.

Sure sign you are losing the debate...

>need to bet 40x that eventhough it was almost
>double their highest posted limit?

There were NO POSTED SOCCER LIMITS

EveryGamblersDream · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
>some of you are mad because you were probably
>doing some of this stuff on a smaller scale &
>now know the gifthorse is probably gone.

Sure sign you are losing the debate...

>need to bet 40x that eventhough it was almost
>double their highest posted limit?

There were NO POSTED SOCCER LIMITS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't feel I'm losing anything. I mean we have a person who was always curious about these situations.

We have a person placing wagers that equal 40x their biggest soccer wagers they made at the same book.

This book isn't known for having good soccer odds & this isn't the kind of book big soccer plays would look to make their plays so them feeling the need to play it here of all shops tells me something.

The man sat & made over 100 bets on the same outcome at the same price. No one is dumb enough to believe any book would knowingly take this kind of action online much less double their highest posted limits on a soccer match, a sport this book clearly doesn't cater too. No one would believe someone would actually sit here & do something like this if they didn't think they were getting away with something.

I could picture this guy finding a casino that had a game malfunctioning on them & not having ever played a penny in the casino would then turn in thousands of dollars in action. I mean motive has to come to the forefront at some point.

I like you FF as I usually agree with most of what you post but this issue I strongly disagree. I will still respect you though regardless of the difference of opinion.

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

>I like you FF as I usually agree with most of
>what you post but this issue I strongly disagree.
>I will still respect you though regardless of
>the difference of opinion.

DITTO

PatrickMcIrish · Aug 24, 2003

The only problem I have with the excuse "WSEX would have kept his money had he lost" story is don't put yourself in that situation! Seriously. Don't allow anyone to be able to make such a big decision with your money, this one was easily avoidable by the player. To use it as a battering ram to show he should get paid is not fair. The book did not choose to be put in this predicament. They were minding their own business in the middle of the night when this guy was enacting a calculated plan to try and circumvent the rules. The guy admitted he knew what he was doing was outside the rules, he knew those prices were wrong and he knew the book did not want that sort of action on the game. Somewhere along the line he decided to go for it anyway so here we are.

What creates a lot of the problems for this industry is when people get a chance to take a shot a lot of people will do it. From BOTH sides of the counter. You see a bad line somewhere call it in, don't try and sneak it in so we have a debate later. As a book if you see multiple users with many accounts close his account now, do not wait until you see if he wins or loses. When you find out a way to sneak in 40 dimes of soccer plays and you know it's not right than don't do it. It's simple. Again the key is abide by the spirit of the rules and these things do not happen to you. I would bet over 95% of the players never have a problem like this with a book. Why, because somewhere along the lines a conscious decision has to be made to try something you know is not right. Most people do the right thing and let it go but some will push the issue and hope for the best. They say I will run to the forums and put up a huge stink to force the book to pay me. It's even better if I can get a lot of player support behind me. Remember Ham 'n Eggs and how adamant he was about a book stealing $1400 out of his account? What a smear campaign that was, he was all over the internet badmouthing the book trying to get paid. He made numerous calls threatening to shut the place down and how he would make them suffer until doomsday. After the plan failed and he saw he wasn't going to extort them he came in and admitted he lied on the whole thing!!? Beantown looks up one day and realizes his home town Celtics are scoring points fast and furious yet sees a book left the game up. With a grin like a jackass munching on a blackberry bush he races to get action down on the game, knowing he was wrong. When the game eventually loses he now wants his money back and has been raising hell ever since. See the pattern here? Someone somewhere did something they knew was not proper and then it puts others in a bad situation. That has got to count for something, hell it's the only reason we are here!

Until we teach people to do the right thing in life instead of the most profitable we will be here arguing this stuff until we are blue in the face. And I got news for you, these things will never go away. If a player/book feels they have an advantage whether fair or unfair they will go for it. When morality goes up against profit, profit usually wins. 'Nuff said.