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Keeping in mind that this is a sports forum and my main interest is college football, I have digressed down to this political forum and found it to be a good way to spend an off season. It is obvious that many people are concerned with what is going on and the debate can get pretty heated and after a while it is obvious where any given individual stands as a matter of political preference. There is no majority rule and you can be right on one issue and wrong on another and it is what it is.

Look at this mess in Congress. Politics have never before gotten the attention it is getting at this point and time in recent history. Being a stats guy and following college football I sometimes stop to look at the numbers. I just went over some numbers having to do with Congress, see what you think.

It is obvious that the Dem’s have the upper hand on everything since they have the majority in the Senate and the office of Potus. In terms of stats there are 51 Democratic senators, 2 independents, and 47 republicans. So the Dem’s actually have a 51% majority and in reality only 4 more senators than do the republicans. Yet they control our destiny as it stands right now and all because of that majority of 4. Kind of scarey that the balance is that close yet the differences are that extreme.

In the House the Dems have 193 members and the Rep’s have 240. So the republicans have a 56% majority and in reality have 47 more representatives than the democrats.
Combined there are 535 members (the house and senate combined) and the republicans hold 287 slots, the democrats hold 244 slots and independents hold 2 slots so the republicans hold 54 slots in the house and senate. Because of the way our system works the democrats still have control and that is the way is.

When you see how polarized our country is at this time and you see how closely divided the house and senate are it is not hard to put two and two together. Again, this forum reflects the fact that there are huge differences and even extremes on both sides to contend with also.
The thing is that our democracy has always hung on a thread and everyone who resides here will ever think exactly alike. That in fact is what has always made our country great. Of course that is true politically and philosophically. But now our country is in financial peril and that threatens our very way of life. Consider the fact over the years 94 members of the house and senate have managed to log in over 36 years of tenure in office. Robert Byrd served 57 years and 176 days.

What is going on in DC right now is business as usual it is only because the economy has gone to hell and unemployment is so high that people are watching every move in DC. And it is business in usual in DC as these tenured career politicians dominate. If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got. It is obvious that the Tea Party pisses some people off but they are doing what they were sent there to do. They have not been deterred by corruption or overly seduced by lobbyists, they are still on a mission. People berate them because they defy the status quo, how dare they. Well it is the status quo that got us in this mess to begin with. The Tea Party members are doing what they were elected to office to do, I wish the same could be said for the career politicians. There is something inherently wrong when the people who created these problems are the same ones who have to solve them. That ain’t happening. I say thank God for the Tea Party and although I am not a member I think they represent the best of us and our best opportunity to get off the status quo and get back on the right track. In all likelihood they are too little too late but we shall see.
 

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Even if you are not a tea bagger (TY Bill Marhr) you have to realize crazy or not, its the people actually getting control of the electorate again. Instead of being beheld to special interest, some politicians are actually scared shitless of their constituents. Please, someone tel me how that is bad? Its a true reflection of the will of the people. The tea party should be looked at as a major step forward even if you dont agree with their politics.
 

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Even if you are not a tea bagger (TY Bill Marhr) you have to realize crazy or not, its the people actually getting control of the electorate again. Instead of being beheld to special interest, some politicians are actually scared shitless of their constituents. Please, someone tel me how that is bad? Its a true reflection of the will of the people. The tea party should be looked at as a major step forward even if you dont agree with their politics.

Exactly it is all about the will of the people. Why has there not been a similiar disinfranachisement within the Democratic party? Is it really the party of the status quo. It is not a question if it ain't broke don't fix it because at this point it is pretty obvious it is broken. Dem's do not like to acknowledge that some Dem's have joined with the tea party, if not in body then in spirit.
 

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don't forget russ, being a numbers guy, is that our elected officials aren't exactly understanding of "the common man"

60% of senate freshman and 40% of house freshman are millionaires while 1% of Americans are in that class. The Avg senate freshman is worth $4M led by Blumenthal (D-CT) who is around $100M. Also note the median worth went up 100k per congressman (yeah, that's both house and senate, AK) in the past year...they're doing pretty damn well!

out of 535 congressmen, at least 261 are millionaires so they're protecting their own. when they speak of "my constituents" they're not speaking about the people in their district, they're speaking on behalf of the private interest groups that will continue to fill their pockets in return for favors.

i wish these folks were actually scared of their constituency but they're only frightened of the folks that are in control, and it ain't us ;)
 

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Good points and sadly true. And they all want to be lobbyists when they grow up.
 

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Myth-busting polls: Tea Party members are average Americans, 41% are Democrats, independents

April 5, 2010 | 2:24 am






For upwards of 12 months now members of the so-called Tea Party protest movement have been stereotyped, derogated and often dismissed by some politicians and media outlets.
They've been portrayed variously as angry fringe elements, often inarticulate, potentially violent and merely Republicans in sheep's clothing or disgruntled pockets of conservatives blindly lashing out at a left-handed President Obama and the same side of his Democratic Party finally getting its chance to drive home a liberal agenda after eight years of Republican rule and six under a centrist Bill Clinton.
Alas for stereotypes, they're convenient, often catchy. But not necessarily true.
Now, comes a pair of polls, including Gallup, that paint a revealing detailed portrait of Tea Party supporters in most ways as pretty average Americans. A Sunday poll -- actually three national phone surveys of 1,000 registered voters -- found that 17% of all polled, or more than 500, called themselves "part of the Tea Party movement."
"It's a good sample size," David Winston, polling director of the Winston Group that did the poll for an education advocacy group, told the Ballot Box blog of The Hill newspaper.
The Tea Party adherents broke down 28% independent, 17% Democrat and only 57% Republican. Not coincidentally, this bipartisan breakdown has been the way that Tea Party favorite Sarah Palin has often described movement members as "commonsense Americans" worried and....


...angered by the over-reaching one-party control of Democrats in Washington these last 15 months, rooted initially in opposition to Obama's $787 billion government economic stimulus package.
A new Gallup Poll out this morning of 1,033 finds nothing fringe about self-proclaimed Tea Party adherents; they are slightly more likely to be employed, male and definitely more conservative. But otherwise Gallup's Lydia Saad writes, "their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large."
While economic issues like stubbornly high unemployment rates and declining home values cause widespread worries, Winston found top issues among the self-identified Tea Party followers are jobs/the economy and the exploding federal deficit. A whopping 95% told pollsters that Washington "Democrats are taxing, spending and borrowing too much."
Fully 87% told Gallup they oppose Obama's healthcare legislation.
The Winston poll says 80% of total Tea Party supporters dislike Obama's job performance, a higher negative rate even than the 77% of Republicans who disapprove of the ex-state senator's White House work.
They are, of course, only two polls and a long time politically until November. Given a widespread anti-incumbent environment, some GOP members of Congress might also pay a price come Nov. 2.
While the inconvenient polls may make media generalizers uncomfortable, it could also discomfit both major parties just seven months out from those crucial midterm elections. Congressional Republicans fare awfully in Tea Party minds, too, despite rhetorical efforts to catch up with the movement at times.
And if a sizable chunk of Obama's own party base crumbles away, as it did in 2009 gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey and in the January special Senate election in Massachusetts over healthcare, Nancy Pelosi could soon join the ranks of ex-House speakers. A change of only 40 House seats would shift control to the GOP.
The counter-intuitive good news for Obama in all that is that a Republican House would give him a handy target for any blame in his anticipated 2012 re-election bid, something he wouldn't have if both houses remained under their currently large Democrat majorities that have earned such low approval ratings.
-- Andrew Malcolm
 

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This article was written before the Nov 2010 elections. How accurate was this:

"The counter-intuitive good news for Obama in all that is that a Republican House would give him a handy target for any blame in his anticipated 2012 re-election bid, something he wouldn't have if both houses remained under their currently large Democrat majorities that have earned such low approval ratings."
 

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On September 20, 2010, at a townhall discussion sponsored by CNBC, Obama said healthy skepticism about government and spending was good, but it was not enough to just say "Get control of spending", and he challenged the Tea Party movement to get specific about how they would cut government debt and spending: "And so the challenge, I think, for the Tea Party movement is to identify specifically what would you do.”

So they did just that and came up with:
1. Cut - Substantial cuts in spending that will reduce the deficit next year and thereafter.
2. Cap - Enforceable spending caps that will put federal spending on a path to a balanced budget.
3. Balance - Congressional passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- but only if it includes both a spending limitation and a super-majority for raising taxes, in addition to balancing revenues and expenses.

And Obama countered with this:
Obama Will Veto Cut, Cap and Balance Act, OMB Says
Monday, July 18, 2011

And in lock step Harry Reid does this:
WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said on Thursday the Cut, Cap and Balance bill passed by the House Tuesday is "some of the worst legislation in the history of this country," resoundingly rejecting claims by Republicans that Democrats will eventually accept the bill in a last-ditch effort to raise the debt ceiling.
"I think this piece of legislation is about as weak and senseless as anything that has ever come on the Senate floor, and I'm not going to waste the Senate's time day after day on this piece of legislation which I think is an anathema to what our country is all about," Reid said on the Senate floor.

Comment: How dare a bunch of upstarts try to tell the cow how to eat the cabbage especially the same cabbage that they have planted and cultivated all these many years. I think those extra 4 senators in Reid’s stable give him every right to dictate what is weak and senseless……wrong.
So it has come down to this and now we are expecting people who do not know how to lead to do exactly that.


One final comment, not be me, but by Obama himself (when he was a Senator)
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” …….. Senator Barack Obama
 

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Now the deadline is August 2nd, I wonder if anything is planned on the August 3rd:

Herbie Hancock, Jennifer Hudson, OK Go set for Obama birthday fundraiser

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Comment: That is in Chicago, maybe he will do some community planning while he is there.


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Story by SoundSpike Staff
Music news team extraordinaire
Published July 29, 2011 06:03 AM
Herbie Hancock, Jennifer Hudson and OK Go, three artists with Chicago roots, will head up the entertainment portion of a planned birthday party and fundraiser celebrating the president's 50th birthday on August 3rd.
There's an emphasis on the word "planned" because developments on a deal to increase the debt ceiling in Congress and the Senate ostensibly could keep the president in Washington, DC as a deadline date for a final solution bumps up against the planned celebration.
The party is being hosted by Obama's Victory Fund 2012, a joint fundraising vehicle of the Obama re-election campaign and the DNC. The event is booked at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, and is open to the public with a campaign donation.


Hudson sang the national anthem at the 2008 Democratic convention and performed at the first State Dinner of the Obama administration.
Hancock performed at Obama's inaugural concert in January of 2009 and at a January 2011 State Dinner. That event generated some controversy when Lang Lang, a young Chinese musician who performed with Hancock, performed a song that is something of a current standard, but in the 1950's had also appeared in a Chinese film that some perceived as anti-American.
 

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I should have called this thread "Calling all frauds II). Remember that one. Obvious in their absence that the Tards have not ventured to post on the thread. Where are Vtard, Atard, and Ptard when the truth is staring them in the face. The truth hurts doesn't it.

Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” …….. Senator Barack Obama

What a fucking hypocrite. Happy birthday mf'er
 

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don't forget russ, being a numbers guy, is that our elected officials aren't exactly understanding of "the common man"

60% of senate freshman and 40% of house freshman are millionaires while 1% of americans are in that class. The avg senate freshman is worth $4m led by blumenthal (d-ct) who is around $100m. Also note the median worth went up 100k per congressman (yeah, that's both house and senate, ak) in the past year...they're doing pretty damn well!

Out of 535 congressmen, at least 261 are millionaires so they're protecting their own. When they speak of "my constituents" they're not speaking about the people in their district, they're speaking on behalf of the private interest groups that will continue to fill their pockets in return for favors.

I wish these folks were actually scared of their constituency but they're only frightened of the folks that are in control, and it ain't us ;)

qft
 

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why can't I embed? WTF

anyhow, this is for all you Pitt fans. Makes me smile every time I watch it

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^^^^^ just watch Mcghee
 
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Willie to embed hit the 5th icon from the right on the top of the reply box looks like a roll of film.....put vid url in.....hit ok......hit quick reply
 

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Even if you are not a tea bagger (TY Bill Marhr) you have to realize crazy or not, its the people actually getting control of the electorate again. Instead of being beheld to special interest, some politicians are actually scared shitless of their constituents. Please, someone tel me how that is bad? Its a true reflection of the will of the people. The tea party should be looked at as a major step forward even if you dont agree with their politics.
That's pretty much how I see it. Can't wait till they're all scared shitless.
 

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Willie to embed hit the 5th icon from the right on the top of the reply box looks like a roll of film.....put vid url in.....hit ok......hit quick reply

thanks RR

I've been doing that. When they 1st changed to this new system, I was able to embed videos, but not anymore
 

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