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In 2004, RNC honchos (led by Karl Rove and Director of Research Tim Griffin) went to great lengths to get the absentee ballots of black soldiers shipped overseas disqualified (by claiming they didn't live at the address on their registration). What will they do to nullify soldiers votes this time around?
Obama's 16 month scenario which he flip-flopped on and then was forced back to by Moveon.org and like radical left wing organizations is recipe for disaster.
The greatest foreign policy president in my lifetime made almost no mistakes. He and Kissinger in their prime were supreme! If Nixon made one possible mistake it was his "68 promise to bring all combat troops home. It was a political mistake but he thought he could make it work. He kept supply and embassy personnel their and financed the Vietnamization of the war and it was a disaster in the end. If Nixon was still president instead of Ford during the disastrous end episode it would have ended better.
All should learn from history. Half way measures for political reasons may look good in the abstract but rarely if ever work in the long run.
The proof exists. It will take me a little time to put something together for you (articles and videos of news stories) and I'm on lunch break.. One thing to note is that this was never supposed to get out, except that about 500 RNC confidential e-mails had an email address in the CC: list that was misaddressed (with ".org" instead of ".com"). As a result, the emails went to a server they weren't supposed to. The owner of that domain name then gave them to the most trusted investigative journalist he knew and an expert on such things. Sadly, the U.S. corporate owned media has blacked out the story. Places like the BBC and PBS have aired it.
Another thing to note is that these emails are a big reason why Karl Rove refused to show up for his subpoenaed testimony with the House Judiciary committee. The House Judiciary committee has the emails.
If you can't wait, you can find most of this story and more in this therad from last January:
http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=555659&highlight=buffalo+soldiers
As promised, here's some information for you to absorb.
What I'm going to post probably doesn't constitute ironclad proof. The attempt to disqualify ballots of sevicemen shipped overseas is only a small (but important) part of the story.
There's a lot of other things that need to be understood to conclude that this is very real. For one, that the man Karl Rove put in charge to direct the operation was named an interim U.S. Attorney in Dec 2006 after other U.S. Attorney's were forced out. Secondly, less than 24 hours after the BBC reported that the House Judiciary committee subpoenaed and received the missent emails, this interim U.S. Attorney resigned the position.
Here's a 2 part video (about 15 mins total) of a PBS broadcast that makes mention of the servicemen. I recommend you view the whole thing.
PBS Story - part 1
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PBS story - part 2
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Here's an article written by Greg Palast (who's featured in the PBS segment) regarding the effort to disqualify the ballots of servicemen.
http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers/
Buffalo Soldiers Scrubbed by Secret GOP Hit List
Massacre of the Buffalo Soldiers
by Greg Palast
The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.
A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.
Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.
One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.
Here's how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, "Do not forward", to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as "undeliverable."
The lists of soldiers of "undeliverable" letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters' registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.
One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.
Our team contacted the homes of several on the caging list, such as Randall Prausa, a serviceman, whose wife said he had been ordered overseas.
A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. Soldiers challenged would be required to vote by "provisional" ballot.
Over one million provisional ballots cast in the 2004 race were never counted; over half a million absentee ballots were also rejected. The extraordinary rise in the number of rejected ballots was the result of the widespread multi-state voter challenge campaign by the Republican Party. The operation, of which the purge of Black soldiers was a small part, was the first mass challenge to voting America had seen in two decades.
The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican's national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, "Caging.xls." Each of these contained several hundred to a few thousand voters and their addresses.
A check of the demographics of the addresses on the "caging lists," as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.
Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists by this reporter said: "The only thing I can think of - African American voters listed like this - these might be individuals that will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day."
These GOP caging lists were obtained by the same BBC team that first exposed the wrongful purge of African-American "felon" voters in 2000 by then-Secretary of State Katherine Harris. Eliminating the voting rights of those voters -- 94,000 were targeted -- likely caused Al Gore's defeat in that race.
The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. However, in Tallahassee, the Florida Bush campaign's spokespeople offered several explanations for the list.
Joseph Agostini, speaking for the GOP, suggested the lists were of potential donors to the Bush campaign. Oddly, the supposed donor list included residents of the Sulzbacher Center a shelter for homeless families.
Another spokesperson for the Bush campaign, Mindy Tucker Fletcher, ultimately changed the official response, acknowledging that these were voters, "we mailed to, where the letter came back - bad addresses."
The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having "bad addresses" subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad.
The apparent challenge campaign was not inexpensive. The GOP mailed the letters first class, at a total cost likely exceeding millions of dollars, so that the addresses would be returned to "cage" workers.
"This is not a challenge list," insisted the Republican spokesmistress. However, she modified that assertion by adding, "That's not what it's set up to be."
Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlaws mass challenges of voters where race is a factor in choosing the targeted group.
While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. However, Tucker Fletcher asserted Republicans could still employ the list to deny ballots to those they considered suspect voters. When asked if Republicans would use the list to block voters, Tucker Fletcher replied, "Where it's stated in the law, yeah."
It is not possible at this time to determine how many on the potential blacklist were ultimately challenged and lost their vote. Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a challenge.
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Also, here's the level of lying and denying that the American people are up against. This is Tim Griffin at a press conference following his resignation.
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You're welcome. Every American should be required to know this story and the level of dirty tricks that have and are occurring. Inside the link of the posted article is another link to view a portion of the spreadsheet of the caging list of soldiers. Here's a direct link to a portion of the spreadsheet
http://flickr.com/photos/gregpalast/160156893/sizes/o/in/set-72157594155273706/
One thing to note is that the email address that was incorrect in the missent emails, was that of Brett Doster who was the head of the Bush/Cheney campaign in the state of Florida. I think it can be safely assumed that a similar set of emails, including spreadsheets of soldiers and others to disqualify or challenge, went to head of the campaign in other states (like Ken Blackwell in Ohio).
Did I miss something in that video? How can anyone arrive at the conclusions that have been arrived at in this thread requires "a suspension of disbelief".
The room was crowded, he was shown the respect I would expect, but I simply didn't witness any political statement being made by the troops, none at all.
I did hear a relatively few loud female voices screaming, but it was not coming from the soldiers being pictured in the video.
The speech as posted was apolitical and respectful. Some people have powerful imaginations.
The room was crowded, he was shown the respect I would expect, but I simply didn't witness any political statement being made by the troops, none at all.
I did hear a relatively few loud female voices screaming, but it was not coming from the soldiers being pictured in the video.
The speech as posted was apolitical and respectful. Some people have powerful imaginations.
Gee, ya think? :nohead:
I don't have time to sift through all of that crap.
Suffice it to say if I cross referenced your post with my own sources and had them do their due diligence, it would probably turn out similar to other that famous 'scandal' during the 2004 elections: "forged documents" of Bush's non-service in the National Guard.
All the left is capable of is smearing, character assassination and the usual daily heavy dose of Chicken Little hysteria we have come to appreciate.
Once they actually are forced to problem solve, or you can manage to trick them into actually debating policy -- once they are actually forced to GOVERN -- they are a deer in the headlights. Exhibit A: Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
There's a reason why left wing talk radio is the shitter, because nobody can possibly subject themselves to that high level of hate and hysteria on a daily basis without their head exploding.
You don't have 20 to 25 minutes? Are you that braindead? If you don't have that kind of time, go away.
For me, I don't have the time nor the energy to prove the whole case in this thread (would take a lot more than 25 minutes). I put together a thread months ago that contains way more than what's here (It took an hour or two a day for over a week to supply the information) and there's a link to it in one of my posts above. I posted a few things in this thread to give Romanowski and anyone else who needs it, some background info. If he and others want to investigate further they can. Anyone who wants to look into it in detail should be more than satisfied.
The House Judiciary committee has the evidence. They've given it to the DOJ so that they could investigate. The politicized DOJ has done nothing. The Judiciary committee has subpeonaed some of the key players to testify, including Karl Rove. None of them will allow themselves to be sworn in and testify under oath. If, as you suggest there is nothing to this, do you not agree that they should get sworn in and answer questions under oath and put it to rest? The real reason they won't is because they couldn't be more guilty. It will take some time, but the guilty will eventually have to face the music.
That's some hypothetical there! You have sources that if you put them to work, they could discredit the evidence. That's classic! Your sources would probably be the same people who perpetuated the deed. I know you are full of it, but I'd gladly wager that the outcome of such an effort would be significantly different than what you expect.
Here's a better idea, get the key players under oath and have them testify. If they've done nothing wrong it should be open and shut and everyone can move on to other items. However, if they've broken election laws, they should be punished. Agreed?
link please, and one facts / evidence, not more "accusations"
Pay attention! I had a thread about this months ago. You entered it and when I ask you some questions, you ran and hid like a coward. There's even a few links in this thread.
By even asking this only indicates that you might be mildly retarded. Be a fucking standup American for once.
