Vegas Locals: How Much Is Too Much?

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DougJ said:
quite extreme, losing 24 hands of BJ in a row is easy if you try to do so. I'll maintain that craps in particular is unbeatable, and yes Tate Roulette to boot !

I'll live with math, die with it ! Show me some math guys like tate, then I'll consider it possible, I'm open minded, but want solid math from you guys !

Uhh, I can assure you, I was not TRYING to lose. In fact, that day I was only in for about $300 when I lost it all by the 18th hand. I was more interested in seeing just how many I would actually lose, so I borrowed money and played $5 a hand until I won one, 7 hands later. This was at the Palace Station a couple years ago. And this was using perfect basic strategy. The most I have ever won in a row is much less, 14 if I remember. Anyway...
 

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tatehill2000 said:
Doug I am Ending this with You are RIGHT!!! 99.9999999%
all the best my friend,,,
tater

You are almost correct. Just about .0000001% off.
 

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I've played alot in casinos myself. I think the one thing that is being missed is the payout. That is the downfall. You don't lose at a casino when you lose...that payout is proper ! You lose at a casino when you win. So no matter what point in your martingale system you are at, you get shorted. No system can withstand getting shorted on payouts.

a $6 place bet on the "6" pays $7....the true odds are 6/5 you should earn $7.20....you are shorted 20 cents.

when your martingale gets you up to betting $6000 on the "6" you get shorted $200!

All these shortages add up in the bottom line. So it dosen't matter WHEN you win or lose. It's getting shorted EVERY TIME you win that will end up crushing you.

At least thats how i see it.
 

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I had a system i used at harrahs jolitet i won at 20 times in a row each win was at least 200. If i won this i stopped, they were cruising on a ship at the time and i would wait up to an hour for it to dock and i was very patient. About 6 years ago they paid the field triple on 2 and 12 making it a 50/50 prop. 20 units won for 20 losers adjusted for tripling. It was a martingdale with a max loss and then my winnings would overtake any losing progression in quick time.
I never lost and they changed the layout back to triple on 12 and double on 2 after a few months. ID BE INTERESTED IN ANY REALISTIC SYSTEM ON BETTING CRAPS. I also have a system I've never lost at playing don't come bets progressively with a max loss also. After you get a number out there you are really at a no LOSE situation, when you play a DC you want a number to roll, so hence nothing bad can happen at many times because if you have numbers up there a seven is good too, it was a real grind and took patience but I could consistently win small sums. (there is a reason the come is so big on a dice table and that don't come is so damn small)
I dealt craps for 13 years and have seen all systems and variations and am a skeptic as ive seen them all fail. I'm also happy i live nowhere near a live land-based dice table.


LASTLY I WOULD BE VERY interested in how ARCHIE KARRAS turned 50 bucks into 17 million dollars as detailed in the book The man with the 100,000 dollar breasts. He had to have a system there.
 

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I also think thee best part of your system is the fact you lkeave after you win a small sum, the longer you stay the worse it would be for you, if your up some LEAVE. You are in the perfect place to work your system. Have reasonable small goals and stick to them. If your original stake is 20 dimes when you win put some aside and hopefully build another 20 dime bankroll for when the enevitable happens. DON'T give up your regular job no matter how well this system does to start. GL.
 

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5teamparlay said:
I also think thee best part of your system is the fact you lkeave after you win a small sum, the longer you stay the worse it would be for you, if your up some LEAVE.

I'm curious though. What is the difference between one roll and the next. If he is up a small sum and leaves, then comes back and tries again the following day or even the following month, what is the difference had he just stayed? The table doesn't know the difference in time. The dice don't know the difference in time. If this system works, which I think we all know it doesn't, why not just stay there and get as many rolls in as possible. Win a small sum, pocket it and go again.

Leaving "up" is only a pyschological thing at best. The next roll you are in could be 10 years later or just when the dice were passed 30 seconds afterwards. It's all the same.
 

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It seems to me that even if you get such a scheme you will not be able to stop at 2 thousand. You will definitely want more.
 

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