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<TABLE class="matchupBox fontsize12" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=banner><TD colSpan=2>NFL THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH </TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD class=leftColumn><SMALL>5:30 PM</SMALL> </TD><TD class=rightColumn id=match_9_3 runat="server"><TABLE class="" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=rotCell>451 </TD><TD class=teamCell>TENNESSEE</TD><TD class=selectCell><LABEL class="" jQuery1241674427293="3"><INPUT class=chkbox type=checkbox value=881778_1_0_5.5_-110_NFL name=game jQuery1241674427293="67"> +5½-110 </LABEL></TD><TD class=selectCell><LABEL class="" jQuery1241674427293="4"><INPUT class=chkbox type=checkbox value=881778_1_2_-35_-110_NFL name=game jQuery1241674427293="68"> o35-110 </LABEL></TD><TD class=selectCell> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=rotCell>452 </TD><TD class=teamCell>PITTSBURGH</TD><TD class=selectCell><LABEL class="" jQuery1241674427293="5"><INPUT class=chkbox type=checkbox value=881778_1_1_-5.5_-110_NFL name=game jQuery1241674427293="69"> 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it'll be interesting to see how much lines will swing by sep.
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early leans- gb-3, jax+7.5 and over in both monday night games @)
 

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am i missing something with the minnesota -2.5 at cleveland. i might hit this one hard now.
 

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oakland? really? i think oakland will be a little improved this year and I only say that if garcia is the starting qb, but i don't think thats gonna happen until week 4 or so.
 

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you may call me crazy, but i really like the fact that rosenfels might be their qb. i think he is pretty good and huge step above t jax. even though he does like to do the helicopter in close games and fumble (Indy last year)
 

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These ones that look easy in week 1 usually are- it takes a few weeks for them to get the lines right. But these lines will all be different come week 1, still a lot of free agency, potential for injuries, and response to preseason games.

If Jax is still getting 7 or more by week 1 that will def be a play Colts are taking a step back this season, and Jax plays them well regardless
 

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oakland? really? i think oakland will be a little improved this year and I only say that if garcia is the starting qb, but i don't think thats gonna happen until week 4 or so.
It's at Oakland and I feel that San Diego is a very over rated team. They are 5 or 6 win team this year.

Two teams on the rise in the AFC West believe it or not are Oakland & Kansas City.
 

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not trying to start an arguement, but just wondering where you think that the raiders improved. i do like the signing of lorenzo neal, even though he is pretty old now. they drafted a couple guys who are going to be very raw and will take time to make an impact. just like to hear peoples reasonings, u may know something i don't.

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not trying to start an arguement, but just wondering where you think that the raiders improved. i do like the signing of lorenzo neal, even though he is pretty old now. they drafted a couple guys who are going to be very raw and will take time to make an impact. just like to hear peoples reasonings, u may know something i don't.

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They've improved some, BUT it's not so much them as it is the actual division. The AFC West is very weak for now. I actually think it's up for grabs until we see Kansas City turn it around. I see Kansas City dominating this division for many years.
 

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i see kansas city improving in a lot of positions and i agree that the conference is very weak. in my opinion, i think cassell is going to have problems this year. i think he was a product of the system in NE. not to say they don't have a chance in the division, just the fact that i don't think cassel is a very good qb. i agree that they could take over the divison in the next year or so. i know sd is over rated, but i still think they have more than kc does at the moment, but not by much. this sucks, i can't wait for football to start...only about 4 months left, lol.
 

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i see kansas city improving in a lot of positions and i agree that the conference is very weak. in my opinion, i think cassell is going to have problems this year. i think he was a product of the system in NE. not to say they don't have a chance in the division, just the fact that i don't think cassel is a very good qb. i agree that they could take over the divison in the next year or so. i know sd is over rated, but i still think they have more than kc does at the moment, but not by much. this sucks, i can't wait for football to start...only about 4 months left, lol.

I feel exactly the same about Brady. He is also a product of the system. I used to think the same thing about Montana until he proved my wrong when he got traded to Kansas City and took them to the AFC Championship.
 

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Matt Cassel was a product of the system- all short-intermediate passes and couldnt complete a deep route to save his life. But Tom Brady? You gotta be kidding me.. any QB who wins 3 Super Bowls isnt a 'product.'

I will say that any QB gets helped out by coaching and what is around them, for instance Peyton Manning probably wouldnt have had his career if he was on the Oakland Raiders, with no offensive line or receivers to throw to. But comparing TB to Cassel is nutty..
 

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Matt Cassel was a product of the system- all short-intermediate passes and couldnt complete a deep route to save his life. But Tom Brady? You gotta be kidding me.. any QB who wins 3 Super Bowls isnt a 'product.'

I will say that any QB gets helped out by coaching and what is around them, for instance Peyton Manning probably wouldnt have had his career if he was on the Oakland Raiders, with no offensive line or receivers to throw to. But comparing TB to Cassel is nutty..

If Brady was on the Raiders he wouldn't be a household name. NO WAY!!!

Plus those three rings were because of their kicker.
 

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So now if a kicker makes a game-winning kick in the Super Bowl he is responsible for a team making it to- and winning- the SB... right.
 

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