2 types of scammers, but why are they viewed differently on the forums?

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There are 2 types of scammers in this industry. The book owners and the players.

In my book, they are both scums of the earth. It doesn't matter if as an owner, you ran on bad luck and can't pay players or as player you have 20 different names at one book for bonus money. You are still a scammer

However, I see that players who stiff books are treated way differently on the forums than owners who run off with players' funds.

Players who scam are welcomed back even by forum owners and moderators like nothing happened while bookies who are out of the business for several years are still talked about.

Why the double standard?

Is it because most posters on the forums are players therefore not taking a direct hit in their pockets from players stealing? Or is it a lot of posters are scammers themselves so they sympathise when their fellow player is caught?

I tend to believe it's the former, most posters are players so they don't lose their own money when a book is taken for.

However, IMO, both types of cheats should be viewed with disgust.

Would you welcome Mark Del or Charlie Therwhanger from Aces gold to post or even attend the upcoming Vegas Bash? You might want to at vegas but just to give them a good licking for stealing your hard earned money.

Same should go for players caught stealing.

If book owners were to give the same treatment to players at Vegas for scamming them then it would only be the fair thing to do.
 

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Truth,

Great post! And I can't see the difference either... both should be castrated.
 

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Probably one of the best posts I have read. Integrity is definitely lacking in this industry on both ends.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Integrity is definitely lacking in this industry on both ends. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As opposed to what other industries?

Law enforcement
politics
advertising
news media
religion (absolute worst)
education
medicine
financial
petro-chemical
legalized gambling
etc.


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How very true, wilheim....

Minimum Integrity, Maximum Greed.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:

As opposed to what other industries?

Law enforcement
politics
advertising
news media
religion (absolute worst)
education
medicine
financial
petro-chemical
legalized gambling
etc.


wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It always amaze me how people try to justify one wrong with another.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It always amaze me how people try to justify one wrong with another. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And your original post is a good example.

Tell charlie and Marc if they have something to say, the forum is open.

Good post too

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It always amaze me how people try to justify one wrong with another <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who is trying to justify anything? Simply pointing out that integrity imho happens to be lacking in many areas, not just offshore gambling.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
And your original post is a good example.

Tell charlie and Marc if they have something to say, the forum is open.

Good post too

Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sure the forums are open for them to post. However, that wasn't my argument on whether they are able to post or not.

My point is if they would ever post on these forums, they wouldn't get the same open arm welcome that scammers from the players' side receive from both posters and moderators alike.

I wonder if you would want anyone taking a photo and posting it here of you at the Vegas bash with Charlie and Mark laughing and having a good time?
 

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In the forum we ask for courtesy. Charlie or marc post and get flamed we clean up or move. As for Vegas, that is real life. This is an internet sportsbetting forum that your original post referred to.
 

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General,

Stealing is the same whether it's in Vegas or over the internet... and it's difficult when the person has admited to being a thief. Whether it's a book or a player, the only difference is the amount.
 
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I don't consider players taking multiple bonuses from books to be thieves because, as I understand it, it's only against the sportsbooks' rules and not against the law. Besides, with all the tricky advertising and outright refusals-to-pay that these slimeballs engage in I have to admire people who take them for a ride.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Belch One:
I don't consider players taking multiple bonuses from books to be thieves because, as I understand it, it's only against the sportsbooks' rules and not against the law. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not against the law for many of these books to take your money and run either since alot of them are in countries without regulation.

I guess from your argument, the Pinnacles and CRIS' of the world could justify just closing shop and taking off.
 
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I'm not aware of it being legal in ANY country to refuse payment. Obviously, countries other than the US don't have the means to enforce the law but I do believe the laws exist.
 

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The US doesn't have this type of law on the books, I would guess. A gambling debt is a matter of honor. IMO. But there are less and less men with this quality still around.
 

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from the exchange between you and general there appears to be something more to this post.

with that said, imo books are treated pretty damn well. while someone who flat out steals may not be welcome, there are MANY books who slow pay and take shots one minute and have their banners put up and called stand up guys the next minute.
 

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i agree with the Swami..there is someething more here then we all see....A CROOK IS A CROOK I dont care what uniform they wear...however, some crooks are accepted....hey look Martha lied and is going to prison..Jayson killed and he is getting off...go figure
 

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You got that right Eddie. Some crooks are accepted.

All I will say is that if any of these moderators or owners are scammed, they would only be getting what they deserve.
 

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What suggestions do you offer to make things better TT?

Thanks
 

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Good example is Sick Gambler being welcomed with open arms to the rx bash after getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar many times here.
 

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