2 $1500 WSOP Hands

[Matt24]

Since this forum doesn't get much real discussion going, here is a step in that direction.

For some reason I got to thinking about both of these hands today, probably because I got a big couple weeks coming up at Indiana WSOP and I've been thinking about lots of hands.

Hand 1

Blinds 25/50

I'm in sb with 94s.

5 limpers to me and I complete, bb checks.

Flop: 9 6 4 rainbow

I lead out 200, bb calls.

Turn: Q completing a rainbow

I bet 400, bb moves in and has me covered. I have 900 left.

Big Blind was very tight and had been aggressive in every pot he was in.


Hand 2

Blinds 25/50

I'm utg +1 with 89s, I limp and 2 others limp behind, bb checks.

Flop: Q T 6 w/ one of my suit

bb checks, I bet 150, mp calls, others fold.

This guy was very passive and hadn't raised at all yet. My buddy and I actually played Blackjack with him for 7 hours at the Gold Coast the day before and he bet $5 every single time.

Turn: 4 completing rainbow

I bet 350, he calls.

River: 2

Hero? I have around 1000 left and so does villian.

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

In hand #1.there is always the possibility he has pckt 9's, 6's or 4's..but me id have to think my 2 pr is good here and hes got AK or such and figures you for the same or less.

In the 2nd hand hes already called a $350 bet..he'd do that with out even a pr?...im weak i know but id maybe bet another 100 if he raised id fold....there was a rainbow so u dont think he was chasing a flush...and with the 24610 i cant see many straight possibilities either...bad as i hate that he called the $350..i'd bail

 

[Matt24]

There is around 1200 in the pot on the river of hand, I really dont think you could bet 100 here, maybe 500 at min

 

[TheTomampDaveShow]

Hand 1 - i would call, I would have put him on AQ and he caught his Q. People seem to think AQ/AK are great hands to call down... I dont get it... call and crack his top pair!

Hand 2 - open ended betting that much I personally dont think it was too smart, him calling now your toast..you missed you gotta check and accept defeat or fold out if he raises anything.

Good luck at your WSOP in Indiana

 

[TwoCard]

Hand 1 - A tight aggressive player letting you lead ??? He called your 200 with a 9-6-4 flop. He probably had a high pair or a set at that point. No reason to raise with you betting. His evaluation of your hand has to be you have 2 small pairs or a small set - the Q probably did not help you. If he is indeed a smart tight player - you are beat at this point.


Hand 2 - At this point you have a 2-4-6-T-Q. Does not make any difference how he plays BJ - you have a very poor hand and should not put any more chips on the table.

 

[ConansHammer]

Hand one I put him on 2 pair also he is holding q9

Hand two he has somthing he only bets when he is sure. Bluffing has not stopped him so far so you throw this crap away. Wait the customary 30 seconds as you carefully review your strong er shit hand.:digit:

 

[primetime21+]

Hand 1, my cards are in the muck a second after he moves all in. Considering your read on him and the fact that he knows you could have any 2 cards from the SB in a big pot, there is little chance he merely has AQ or or even slowplaying AA. I cant tell you his exact hand, but i think you are beat. And even if you arent, this isnt exactly the situation a top notch poker player wants to risk all of his chips. 900 left with the blinds at a modest 25/50 leaves you plenty of time to work it back up.

hand 2, the only hands he folds here are kj and j9 (busted straight draws). Otherwise he probably has QJ type hand and will call down a medium sized bet. Even if he is somewhat tight, his calls on the draw arent especially loose, making this a tough decision. Throwing out that third bluff is immensly difficult and something i would probably avoid in this spot.

 

[QuickLearner]

I'm trying not to let the previous answers sway me...here's my first impression:

Hand 1 call. I put him on AQ. QQ or 9x he'd have raised the flop.
Hand 2 check and fold. Nice try with the double gutshot, but he's not going anywhere even for the whole stack.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me hate NL tourneys.

 

[BoZZi]

hand 1....easy muck

hand 2....i take a stab for about 500-650.....likely he will give up top pair bad kicker and if he was drawing with kj or j9 it terribly missed....unless he has q-10 u win this hand.

 

[Il-Mary]

Hand 1. Call. He might easy have Top pair or only high cards.
Hand 2. He has already called you twice. No need to bet anymore. Check, fold if he bets.

 

[Matt24]

Hand 1: As I was folding, I said i was laying down two pair, the villian showed me a set of sixex. A key to this hand is him calling the flop bet with 5 people to act behind him, an aggressive player would have raised A9 there and wouldn't have stayed in with random overcards to catch a Q most likely with 5 to act behind.

Hand 2: I checked, the villian checked and showed KJ for the busted strait.

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

Well when Bozzi said lay down the 1st hand, i knew i was wrong...much as i admire your playing Matt Bozzi's as good as they get in my book.......on the 2nd hand though i kinda think i was right....although again bozzi's way gets you the pot, mine might win it as well..

 

[tkf18ny]

I think both of these hands should have been mucked preflop but well take it from the flop
Hand one if hes pretty tight and can have anything in the BB i think its a fold
Its really tough to tell without a read however- fir example have you seen him make similar moves before and if so how good was his hand?

Hand 2 I would usually fold this hand and occasionally raise preflop
It is a crappy hand in crappy position
If you had position on him you could have checked the turn behind to get a free card at the double gutter but as it stands there is 1200 in the pot and he seems to like his hand
How deep was he to start the hand? Did he chase draws? I know you said he rarely raised but a lot of players like that will call all day with top pair or whatever but are never agressive with it but will never ever fold
At this point although it sucks I think betting again is chip spewing

Whoeever suggests betting 100 hates money

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

"Whoeever suggests betting 100 hates money"

How do u figure that? the whole point is/was if he hasn't made his draw he isnt gonna call a buck raise so why put $500 out there to see if he made it or not? even bozzi who suggested the $500 is doing it not expecting a call if the guy has top pr...i guess there are guys out there who would pay 100 to see your hand, hmmmmmm on 2nd thought after playing at bodog i know there is, ok im wrong 500-600 is the way to go...my bad....

id like thank matt for posting these hands, between a cpl of poker books, some threads at 2+2, this thread and a few real life experiances its been a pretty good week of poker education for me....

 

[BoZZi]

I think both of these hands should have been mucked preflop but well take it from the flop
Hand one if hes pretty tight and can have anything in the BB i think its a fold
Its really tough to tell without a read however- fir example have you seen him make similar moves before and if so how good was his hand?

Hand 2 I would usually fold this hand and occasionally raise preflop
It is a crappy hand in crappy position
If you had position on him you could have checked the turn behind to get a free card at the double gutter but as it stands there is 1200 in the pot and he seems to like his hand
How deep was he to start the hand? Did he chase draws? I know you said he rarely raised but a lot of players like that will call all day with top pair or whatever but are never agressive with it but will never ever fold
At this point although it sucks I think betting again is chip spewing

Whoeever suggests betting 100 hates money

if u dont complete the sb with 5 limpers then you are playing the wrong game......he is getting 13 to 1 or so approx....and if u make up ur mind that the only way u play the hand is if u get a big flop then nothing wrong with completing it

raising there with 89 suited in EP is much worse then calling....now if he was in LP the tables turn because of the higher possibility of picking up the blinds. you call there in hopes that people behind u come in creatain great pot odds for your hand. it would be either limp or muck for me.

 

[tkf18ny]

It depends how youve been playing if the table has been tights raise the 89s other wise fold it

He getting 13-1 to see the flop and look he flopped two pair (which is a longer shot than 13-1) and he is still fucked
Crap is crap
Your getting 13-1 to play crap in the worst postion possible