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Providence mayor wants to tax college students




PROVIDENCE, R.I. – The mayor of Providence wants to slap a $150-per-semester tax on the 25,000 full-time students at Brown University and three other private colleges in the city, saying they use resources and should help ease the burden on struggling taxpayers.
Mayor David Cicilline (sis-ah-LEEN-ee) said the fee would raise between $6 million and $8 million a year for the city, which is facing a $17 million deficit.
If enacted, it would apparently be the first time a U.S. city has directly taxed students just for being enrolled.
The proposal is still in its early stages. But it has riled some students, who say it would unfairly saddle them with the city's financial woes and overlook their volunteer work and other contributions, including money spent in restaurants, bars and stores.
"We want to support the city as best we can, but financially is not really what we can afford to give," said Heather Lee, president of the Brown Graduate Student Council. "We're more able to provide labor, we're more able to apply the things that we're learning in the classroom, than we are to write a $300 check."
Cities often look for revenue from universities to compensate for their tax-exempt status, and many schools already make voluntary payments to local governments. Providence's four private schools — Brown, Providence College, Johnson & Wales University and the Rhode Island School of Design — agreed in 2003 to pay the city nearly $50 million over 20 years.
The idea of a student head tax has been floated before in other cities, generally to start discussions about collecting money from universities in lieu of taxes.
But Tony Pals, spokesman for the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities, said he knows of no city that charges students a direct fee.
"The bottom line is, a tax like this has never gone into effect," Pals said. "The timing is also unfortunate, given the significant amount of budget-cutting that institutions have had to go through because of the recession."
The four schools generate more than $1 billion a year in economic activity, said Daniel Egan, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Rhode Island. They employ nearly 9,000 people in a city of roughly 172,000.
"We think the indirect and direct benefit of students within the community would outweigh any costs," Egan said.
Cicilline's office said there is no study showing how much students cost Providence for the use of police and fire protection and other services. The city points out that the private schools' property, valued at more than $1.7 billion, is tax-exempt.
Many college students are already involved in tutoring, arts education and mentoring for public school students. Providence College, for instance, offers student volunteers to staff after-school programs, and Brown is raising money for a $10 million endowment to help the city school system.
Even so, Cicilline said everyone should be expected to help the city through this economic crisis. He said he wants students to have a vested interest in their city instead of seeing themselves as visitors just passing through.
"It's really about a shared commitment to the well-being of your community that you're a part of," the mayor said. "Everyone should be doing their part and coming to the table."
Students at Rhode Island College, a state school in the city, and the Providence campus of the University of Rhode Island would be exempt.
A city head tax on students would need approval from both the City Council and state lawmakers. However, a similar measure failed in the state Legislature in 2005, and Rhode Island's colleges are likely to fight this proposal, too.
Josephine Nash, a Brown junior from New York City, said the idea seems reasonable, provided it doesn't overly burden students on financial aid. "I do spend the majority of my year here, and I do use the services of the city," she said.
But Susette Holman, a Johnson & Wales freshman also from New York, said her mother works seven days a week, sometimes 14 hours a day, to put her through school. "I have three sisters at home, so how's she going to be able to provide an extra tuition fee?" she asked.
University administrators also object, saying students and their families spend years saving for college and shouldn't have to bear more costs. Tuition at Brown costs nearly $40,000 a year, with about 40 percent of undergraduates receiving financial aid.
"Given at least the rhetoric of trying to retain students, be a place that's attractive to students and young people shortly after college, it just seemed counterintuitive to at least the students I talked to," said Richard Spies, Brown's executive vice president for planning.


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The 150 bucks would "unfairly" tax students :):)

The city is overlooking their volunteer work :):)
I thought they did that to help people?

The city is overlooking the money they spend at bars and restaurants....:):)
Yup, its better to spend 100 bucks on your own bar tab than to hand over 150 bucks in taxes....

The city is ignoring volunteer work...:):)
So if you are ok enough to volunteer, why not work a job?




Is Brown a republican college...
:laugh:
 

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I think Brown students should recieve the same treatment as white students, but thats just me.
 

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oh ok, on brown and the 3 other schools
You actually started to read the article instead of the typical headline only liberal reader...

If these kids are bitching about 150 bucks... wait until they get that fat 50,000 dollar tax bill to take care of other less responsible people...
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I love their defense too.... We do charity work, we spend money at bars to support the local economy, we go out to restaurants...

I wonder if Obama will keep pushing for that lower tuition/higher community service crap he was talking about... rather than work + school, hand out, aids walk or whatever they want to do + extra college partying.

That's the liberal mantra. Spend, have fun, and let others pick up the tab. Just don't raise MY TAXES... make other people clean up for me.

Even the people at the very top like Turbo Tax timmy and the other 5 liberals that tried to scrimp on their taxes.

You think Michelle Obama gives a shit about poor people? Showing up to do charity work in 540 dollar sneakers? That's insulting. She shows up, gets her picture taken, people say " she cares", "she's good", "she's nice", "she does charity work".

Then she walks back to her limo in those 540 dollar sneakers and goes home.
 

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150 bucks is nothing these days in schools. they shouldve just hid it in the tuition like they do here without announcing it.
 

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Do I believe taxes are fair?
NO

Did the Liberal New England students vote democrat?
You betcha

Do they believe in government?
You betcha

How do they feel about taxes?
They don't really think of them... yet, because they don't pay them.... and now... that they have to pay a measely 150 bucks ( that most of their parents would pay for anyway)... to actually have some equity in the game... they are all up in arms. 150 bucks.... they aren't paying 20,000 in taxes, they aren't paying 50,000 in taxes... it's 300 fucking dollars.

Then their defense pisses me off....

1) We shouldn't have to pay because we are broke
2) we shouldn't have to pay because we do community service
3) we shouldn't have to pay because we spend our money at the local bars and restaurants...

Ohhhh so you'd rather spend your money than fork it over to the government....

How convienient. People keeping THEIR money instead of giving it to papa government... what a novel concept. Who'd you vote for again??? ahhhh that's right... Barry the thief.
 

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Voting democratic has little to do with whether or not you think taxes are fair and far more to do with where you think your tax money should go

Currently virtually all taxation happens when you earn money or exchange money or own something that is worth money and is liquid. Going to school does not fall in any of that. To start taxing based on that criteria puts the government into dangerous territory where they can tax you for anything you do, whether it is financial or not

Since I am not a student -- and I live in town that is over 50% students -- it would be in my best interest to see something like this. Except that the government already gives a lot of money to colleges, including financial aid and other grants to private colleges. Cut back on that at the rate of $150 per student and everyone would be better off
 

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Voting democratic has little to do with whether or not you think taxes are fair and far more to do with where you think your tax money should go

Currently virtually all taxation happens when you earn money or exchange money or own something that is worth money and is liquid. Going to school does not fall in any of that. To start taxing based on that criteria puts the government into dangerous territory where they can tax you for anything you do, whether it is financial or not

Since I am not a student -- and I live in town that is over 50% students -- it would be in my best interest to see something like this. Except that the government already gives a lot of money to colleges, including financial aid and other grants to private colleges. Cut back on that at the rate of $150 per student and everyone would be better off

What do you think happens now?
Spending money on college isn't exchanging money? The government sees people dropping 40,000 dollars a year on college and wants an extra cut of it. I really think you don't understand the true extent of our leviathan government.


So you don't want the government to take money via a college tax, and then give it back via a college credit. That's counter productive?

Like giving tobacco farmers a subsidy, but then issuing a big tax when people buy cigs. It's counter productive right?

Like having a huge global warming tax on all consumers of energy... but then giving money back to the poor people. A giant wealth transfer scheme right?

One that makes people beg the government for that handout back... makes people beg so much that they will have skin in the game and vote for certain people that make certain financial promises right?
 

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If these kids are bitching about 150 bucks... wait until they get that fat 50,000 dollar tax bill to take care of other less responsible people...
:):).

In order to receive a federal income tax bill for $50,000 one would need an adjusted gross income of at least $150,000 per year, or over $200,000 a year gross income.

And since we already reviewed how no more than 10% of the federal income tax goes to supposedly "undeserving people", then we're looking at the person needing to have an adjusted gross income of about $1.2 million before they would be getting a bill for "$50,000 to take care of less responsible people"

Report back to us as soon as you receive your first income tax bill for $50,000.
 

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150 bucks is nothing these days in schools. they shouldve just hid it in the tuition like they do here without announcing it.

Not often you make a sensible post, but the red herring Topic lead did kind of set this one up on a tee for ya.
 

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What do you think happens now?
Spending money on college isn't exchanging money? The government sees people dropping 40,000 dollars a year on college and wants an extra cut of it. I really think you don't understand the true extent of our leviathan government.


So you don't want the government to take money via a college tax, and then give it back via a college credit. That's counter productive?

Like giving tobacco farmers a subsidy, but then issuing a big tax when people buy cigs. It's counter productive right?

Like having a huge global warming tax on all consumers of energy... but then giving money back to the poor people. A giant wealth transfer scheme right?

One that makes people beg the government for that handout back... makes people beg so much that they will have skin in the game and vote for certain people that make certain financial promises right?

I made it pretty clear which one I favor, though I can understand why someone in your position is so strongly in favor of big government and high taxes
 

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In order to receive a federal income tax bill for $50,000 one would need an adjusted gross income of at least $150,000 per year, or over $200,000 a year gross income.

And since we already reviewed how no more than 10% of the federal income tax goes to supposedly "undeserving people", then we're looking at the person needing to have an adjusted gross income of about $1.2 million before they would be getting a bill for "$50,000 to take care of less responsible people"

Report back to us as soon as you receive your first income tax bill for $50,000.


Hahahahhahahah


The federal budget is only 10% entitlements because you said so... you didn't look it up, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, you picked a number of your ass and now that's the law right?

Just because you are a lazy deadbeat supporter, doesn't mean others should be economically forced into giving their money to deadbeats.

Those angry liberal kids sound like future republicans. Then again, most people do wise up as they age... but some don't ( barman).
 

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I made it pretty clear which one I favor, though I can understand why someone in your position is so strongly in favor of big government and high taxes


In all honesty, if these kids aren't paying taxes, they shouldn't even be allowed to vote anyway.

None of those hood rats in southeast dc should have been allowed to vote for the community organizer either.

If you don't put anything into the system, you shouldn't have any say on how it is run.
 

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I guess you must be pleased to know money effects the political system far more than votes do
 

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but the welfare queens in the ghetto shouldn't even be allowed to vote. They not only don't help us as a country, they drain us like leeches. We'd be better off if a hurricane hit just the inner cities of our cities and wiped away that problem.
 

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Holy cow...Yet another project for ya

#4 - Eliminate voting rights for all Americans who "don't agree with me".
 

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