Why didn't we shut down the economy for the swine flu? Or the annual flu?

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Educate yourselves on the virus. Annual flu rate is 35-40 K deaths per year on average. That is a direct quote from Donald.


We already are at 17K deaths in the US alone WITH restrictions/shutdowns. Which surpasses the Swine Flu which everybody was complaining about why we didn’t shut down.


Do you know why we didn’t shut down for the swine flu? Do you know why? Because if you do, then you should understand this situation a lot better.

Which tells me you don’t know why we didn’t shut down for the swine flu or annual flu and it also tells me you are not informed well enough on this specific virus. I know red eye is a complete hopeless fuck. He’ll never get it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic

The 2009 swine flu pandemic was an influenza pandemic that lasted from January 2009 to August 2010, and the second of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus (the first being the 1918–1920 Spanish flu pandemic), albeit a new strain. First described in April 2009, the virus appeared to be a new strain of H1N1, which resulted from a previous triple reassortment of bird, swine, and human flu viruses further combined with a Eurasian pig flu virus,[SUP][10][/SUP] leading to the term "swine flu".[SUP][11][/SUP] Some studies estimated that 11 to 21 percent of the global population at the time—or around 700 million to 1.4 billion people (of a total 6.8 billion)—contracted the illness. This was more than the number of people infected by the Spanish flu pandemic,[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP] but only resulted in about 150,000 to 575,000 fatalities for the 2009 pandemic.[SUP][14][/SUP] A follow-up study done in September 2010 showed that the risk of serious illness resulting from the 2009 H1N1 flu was no higher than that of the yearly seasonal flu.[SUP][15][/SUP] For comparison, the WHO estimates that 250,000 to 500,000 people die of seasonal flu annually.[SUP][9][/SUP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic


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This is super confusing. How does R0 of 2-4 in 2 years only infect 8k while and R0 of 2-2.5 in less than 6 months infect 1.5M?

That tells me that the person categorizing the R0 was drunk or something.
 

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Yeah, post however you want. I don't care, I'm not a stickler for it but you do post the same actual post in multiple threads.
 

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Yeah, post however you want. I don't care, I'm not a stickler for it but you do post the same actual post in multiple threads.

I don't care what people post either. I'm not the post police. But he has started 1000 threads 99% of them are basically we are all going to die. To be fair we need both sides of people posting that this is over hyped and that it is not. Middle ground. But endless similar threads started by the same guy ......not really good for the forum imo
 

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Headline in the morning paper...

Nevada deaths top 100. Hell that's an average holiday weekend in Chicago.
 
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...why don't we just do this all the time? I mean after all, we lose over 50k people yearly to the flu and over 17 million worldwide to infectious diseases. Clearly social distancing works. If we could cut those numbers in half, wouldn't that be a great way to go?


And if your answer is it's because we don't have a vaccine, then let's say one gets developed and we lose 150k-200k yearly to the corona virus with the vaccine. You good with that?


The authorities have repeatedly pointed to the possibility of hospitals being overwhelmed beyond their capacity with COVID-19 cases alone if economic shutdowns & social distancing measures were not being practiced. That would mean all those many thousands needing emergency care for life saving procedures would die. It would also mean that those needing immediate care to avert negative consequences like being put in comas, paralysis etc, would not be saved.


Without the shutdown & safety measures via social distancing, many hospitals would be overwhelmed while not having the staff or equipment to properly deal with it, leading to many more health care workers getting ill. That, in turn, would lead to cascading issues within the health care system as mentioned above.


The situation could get so bad that it could lead to mass panic, rioting, looting, anarchy. The government would rather avert potential doomsday scenarios.


Moreover relatively little is known about this virus compared to the flu which has been studied for decades & which has not caused hospitals to be overwhelmed as potentially they would have been via COVID-19. So better to shut things down for a few weeks or months until more is learned this novel virus. IOW better safe than sorry.


Also, relative to the flu, experts tend to think, based on the data they have thus far, that COVID-19 is much more easily transmitted & has a higher death rate. So it is considered a much more dangerous threat than the flu. Consequently, much greater measures to shut it down have been implemented.


Does that make sense to you?
 
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Influenza is a highly contagious respiratory illness that is responsible for significant morbidity and mortality. Approximately 9% of the world’s population is affected annually, with up to 1 billion infections, 3 to 5 million severe cases, and 300,000 to 500,000 deaths each year.

(Aren't these numbers worse than Corona virus?)


If you can see the future in a crystal ball what the number of COVID-19 deaths will be after a year, then by all means let us know. BTW, to be comparable, that would have to be an alternate future where there were no economic shut down worldwide & no universal social distancing put into effect. Otherwise it's a case of "apples & oranges". IOW, we'll never know if the flu numbers are better or worse. What we do know is that experts generally agreed that COVID-19 warranted the measures that are being taken.
 

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X-Dick go away man ON top of it you have to ruin one of my favorite shows

I love X-Files but you are making me hate the words now...

You are a moron with all the useless crap you are posting
 
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X-Dick go away man ON top of it you have to ruin one of my favorite shows

I love X-Files but you are making me hate the words now...

You are a moron with all the useless crap you are posting



What is useful is in the eye of the beholder. There are dozens of views on my threads, so how many people are interested in them, do you suppose? Why view something you have no interest in.


Did you think insults would convince a reasoning person such as myself to cease from an action?


Leave the snarling to lesser creatures such as animals.


But thanks for bumping my threads to the top of p.1 where they are most visible to everyone, yourself included.
Then, in my replying to your tirades, you become responsible for them being bumped to the top once again. Good job.


May Jesus bless your day & grant you to know the truth.
 
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1. So far we have over 34k Coronavirus deaths to just 24k flu deaths (2019-20). And the flu season usually comes to an end in April while Coronavirus won't be disappearing anytime soon.
2. I've worked in LA (Downtown) and each morning freeways into the city are jam-packed with people driving into work from the suburbs. Only reason LA didn't end up like NY is due to Governor Newsom instituting the nation's first stay-at-home order and social distancing. Just goes to show how early mitigation tactics work like a charm. Something the Orange idiot should've done in the early days of the outbreak.

3. Flu vaccines were 60% effective in 2010, 56% in 2009 and 48% in 2015. All better than 0% for the Coronavirus. If the predicted death toll for the Coronavirus was 80k, then we wouldn't have had to do stay at home and social distancing except the real death toll was in the MILLIONS. Even with the strictest social measures in recent history, it's going to kill more than the flu.

4. Doesn't matter if some states appear to be "Coronavirus free or lite".... South Dakota just became a hotspot because their idiot Governor refused to adopt stay at home orders. Just goes to show any place USA can become a hotspot without proper social measures.





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Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.


Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.


As things are going, there is much "herd immunity" already being built up. As many economies are now beginning to gradually open, or about to do so within the next few weeks, the "herd immunity" will slowly & properly be built up even more, so that hospitals & such are not overwhelmed.
 

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Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.


Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.


As things are going, there is much "herd immunity" already being built up. As many economies are now beginning to gradually open, or about to do so within the next few weeks, the "herd immunity" will slowly & properly be built up even more, so that hospitals & such are not overwhelmed.


I call bullshit.
 
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What is obviously clear is:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

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What is useful is in the eye of the beholder. There are dozens of views on my threads, so how many people are interested in them, do you suppose? Why view something you have no interest in.


Did you think insults would convince a reasoning person such as myself to cease from an action?


Leave the snarling to lesser creatures such as animals.


But thanks for bumping my threads to the top of p.1 where they are most visible to everyone, yourself included.
Then, in my replying to your tirades, you become responsible for them being bumped to the top once again. Good job.


May Jesus bless your day & grant you to know the truth.

Funny how these idiots NEVER "get around" to answering your third and fourth sentences.
 

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