Brady or Belichick

[Willie99]

1) Yes they missed those defensive players, and it adds to that all important depth thing. Suggesting they didn't miss arguably their best defensive player / linebacker & defensive captain is just wrong

2) And NOBODY ever argued missing eight opt outs outweighs having a stud QB.

3) Belichick is arguably the best roster manager in professional sports, but this year his hands were tied by salary cap issues.

Drafts could have been better, but forgive me if I cut the GOAT a little slack

 

[Seymour]

Who knows if Belichick is this great coach - one thing known for a fact - he’s as good as his starting QB is - and I never forgot when he was run out of Cleveland (u have to really have sucked to be fired from the Browns)

 

[PatsFan1283]

1) Yes they missed those defensive players, and it adds to that all important depth thing. Suggesting they didn't miss arguably their best defensive player / linebacker & defensive captain is just wrong

2) And NOBODY ever argued missing eight opt outs outweighs having a stud QB.

Oh yeah, I wasn't saying they didn't miss them obviously. But "8 COVID opt outs" sounds a lot different than saying Hightower/Chung. Two solid but aging defensive players. Hightower they definitely missed (especially run D), Chung meh. Think Phillips was fine.

I was just saying it isn't the main reason they were talent deficient this year, mediocre drafting/FA moves were.

Guess I could've phrased it differently

 

[Willie99]

Who knows if Belichick is this great coach - one thing known for a fact - he’s as good as his starting QB is - and I never forgot when he was run out of Cleveland (u have to really have sucked to be fired from the Browns)

Experience is the world's greatest teacher. I'm thinking you yourself experienced a few times in your life

 

[Mr_Mark]

Is Brady getting too much credit? Its not like he is putting up insane numbers. Bucs have a lot of good players, having Brady as the leader of the team is great combo for success.

 

[Dr.Love]

Is Brady getting too much credit?

No. He's 43 years old. New team. New system. No off-season to gel.

3-0 on the road in the playoffs. His 10th Super Bowl in 2 decades. Just insane.

There's no such thing as Brady getting too much credit for any of this.

 

[5teamparlay]

Belichick does need another elite QB to win again, but that wasn't the original question.

How many Superbowls does Tom Brady win with Jason Garrett as his coach?

Bull is winning again, with a rookie QB. Hottest team in the league.

 

[JATTKING]

It's coach Bill that is the GOAT NOT overrated brady. I've said this way before Patriots success this season. Way to go GOAT coach BILL. Impressive.

 

[Michelangelo]

They went 12-4 last year as ugly as it was to watch at times, but yes, that is a bad year with Tom Brady. Why did they have a bad year by their standards? One of the main reasons is BB hasn't drafted particularly well the last 6-7 years. Took Nkeal Harry over AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. Took Sony Michel 1st rd. Long list of draft misses. The cupboard was bare, Brady had no choice but to dip. BB was able to get rid of guys earlier rather than wait for the decline, well Brady flipped the script and did that to them. BB hasn't drafted a non-OL that you would call "elite" probably since 2012.

Their best receiver was a 34 year old slot receiver that hasn't been able to stay healthy for years now and body was clearly breaking dwn as well as a 1st rd pick WR (in a loaded WR draft) that looks like a bust. No pass catching tight end on the roster. Even if Cam isn't the answer, deck was stacked against him. Is he past his prime? Sure, but doesn't excuse getting run up and down the field by equally injury ravaged teams like SF, Buffalo and Denver if we're talking about legends of the highest pedigree here. There is going to be some nitpicking.

How is the debate Brady w/ avg coach vs BB w/ elite QB? So Brady gets Jason Garrett and Belichick gets Aaron Rodgers? Umm, yeah I guess that would be favorable to BB.

How about Brady + Mike Zimmer vs BB + Matt Stafford or Jared Goff...That's a boat race to me. And even a Goff/Stafford isn't always as easy to find as it seems, ask the other teams in the AFC East. It is remarkable how long any of them went without a solid QB during the NE run.

Would BB crush with another legend QB like Peyton Manning? Yeah, sure. Because that guy would also be more important than him just like Brady was.


As far as Tampa chances this year go.... They're top 5 in SB futures right now and top 2 in the NFC. The Tom in Tompa must be doing something right for a team that hasn't won a playoff game since the night Jimmy Kimmel live made its debut (2003)

I guess we'll see when NE is top 2 in their conf and top 5 in SB futures again. Hopefully sooner than later but it may not be the quickest road back because of the challenges I've highlighted.

Patriots now the favorite to be the AFC Champion. Fourth fav to win the SB. A year and one month after you wrote this, PatsF.

Does that tell you anything about the value of the coach?

Offer me ANY NFL player or Billy B. I'm taking Billy B every time.

 

[Dr.Love]

Patriots now the favorite to be the AFC Champion.

Not at many books. I just quickly looked at 4 of my outs to get a sample size. KC is favored to win the AFC at 3 of them. The 4th, both KC and NE are co-favorites at +300.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Patriots now the favorite to be the AFC Champion. Fourth fav to win the SB. A year and one month after you wrote this, PatsF.

Does that tell you anything about the value of the coach?

Offer me ANY NFL player or Billy B. I'm taking Billy B every time.

So BB is doing what Peyton Manning did like every year of his career from '03 on? I'd still take Manning over him but to each their own. Only way Manning is going sub .500 over a 140 game sample is if he has 10 guys at the RX out there with him. No disrespect to BB, I think he is the best coach ever but that is what it is.

Shoutout to whoever bumped this...I enjoyed re-reading being told Tampa had no chance to beat Seattle or KC, Brady wasn't committed to football anymore because he was more in on shilling the TB12 method and Mahomes was better than him at everything. We've even got some new ones this year, he is a primadonna that defense carried him to most of his rings.

I didn't even bump this after Tampa won it all because I figured I shattered the backboard too hard, true story.

 

[CHOPTALK]

So BB is doing what Peyton Manning did like every year of his career from '03 on? I'd still take Manning over him but to each their own. Only way Manning is going sub .500 over a 140 game sample is if he has 10 guys at the RX out there with him. No disrespect to BB, I think he is the best coach ever but that is what it is.

Shoutout to whoever bumped this...I enjoyed re-reading being told Tampa had no chance to beat Seattle or KC, Brady wasn't committed to football anymore because he was more in on shilling the TB12 method and Mahomes was better than him at everything. We've even got some new ones this year, he is a primadonna that defense carried him to most of his rings.

I didn't even bump this after Tampa won it all because I figured I shattered the backboard too hard, true story.

Always bump the thread when the thread is going your way . This is JustinCruise 101.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Brady is the GOAT
Belichick is the GOAT

Full props to Tompa Bay for winning #7, but one thing I never see mentioned is the playbook he brought with him was all New England Patriots. Bruce Arians pretty much stepped aside and let his QB do everything he learned under Belichick and McDaniels.

I'll never be able to prove it, but I do not believe the GOAT would have 7 rings without that other GOAT.

MNF was another classic Belichick masterpiece...

"That's why we practice in this shit!"

 

[Willie99]

1) Yes they missed those defensive players, and it adds to that all important depth thing. Suggesting they didn't miss arguably their best defensive player / linebacker & defensive captain is just wrong

2) And NOBODY ever argued missing eight opt outs outweighs having a stud QB.

3) Belichick is arguably the best roster manager in professional sports, but this year (read 2020) his hands were tied by salary cap issues.

Drafts could have been better, but forgive me if I cut the GOAT a little slack

Since we're bloviating now, and I was disrespected by some for my man crush and positions on Belichick, I might as well jump in while the water is warm

 

[CHOPTALK]

So now be

Brady is the GOAT
Belichick is the GOAT

Full props to Tompa Bay for winning #7, but one thing I never see mentioned is the playbook he brought with him was all New England Patriots. Bruce Arians pretty much stepped aside and let his QB do everything he learned under Belichick and McDaniels.

I'll never be able to prove it, but I do not believe the GOAT would have 7 rings without that other GOAT.

MNF was another classic Belichick masterpiece...

"That's why we practice in this shit!"

So now belichick is an offensive guru to . Good stuff

 

[SheriffJoe]

So now belichick is an offensive guru to . Good stuff

Maybe ask Mac who still must be icing that arm!

 

[CHOPTALK]

Huh

 

[CHOPTALK]

Should Tampa give Belichick a ring for their Super Bowl last season ?

 

[Avocado33]

Did anyone watch last season?

Why is this a question?

Both are GOATs, but yes Brady is more valuable

 

[PatsFanatic]

Good arguments either way in this thread.
Impossible to come to a clear answer but I think Brady gets the edge. He can't be replaced, which Bellichicks previous coaching record attests to.

But they're both great, its like PB & Jelly.

I still feel the exact same way today.

Brady has another ring with a different team and Belichick is having a great coaching season with a rookie QB.
Both will go down as the GOAT's no matter what.